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[wagua]

I have seen a lot of disagreement lately over the venice SK regulations

Just for the record, you can shoot into the building but cannot enter.  This includes, just passing through, got lost, etc.  If you enter this building when it is not your spawn you will have violated SK regulations for this map and you will be punished accordingly.

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I know your not supposed to enter but knowing that I say that if you do enter you cannot shoot even if shot at for mainly the forward spawn. this is because you cannot really reach the balcony area without going through the spawn area. so if you attempt to go to balcony and enter through spawn i think that even if shot at while your in there you cant shoot back no matter if they're shooting at you from inside or outside spawn area, or do other things like deliberately block players who are trying to get out of spawn. if this is the case then it should probably be extended to back spawn so you can get into that back alley from behind and flank some players tucked in there behind those boxes or at the mg nest. again if you go in do not block players or shoot even if shot at...even if they're shooting at you from outside the spawn and your inside. so basically if you try to make the move to get into those areas your taking the risk of being a fish out of water until you exit the other side. since there is no screeny for inside by the balcony maybe it should be at the bottom of the second set of stairs that you turn right to go up into room that leads to balcony (know where i mean). so no shooting on that first small flight of stairs or on the landing, this would prevent from shooting into the inner hallway, but you could shoot at players trying to come up to get you.

[wagua]

wagua, on August 17, 2011 - 04:55 AM, said:

I have seen a lot of disagreement lately over the venice SK regulations

Just for the record, you can shoot into the building but cannot enter.  This includes, just passing through, got lost, etc.  If you enter this building when it is not your spawn you will have violated SK regulations for this map and you will be punished accordingly.

[KombAt]

SPECIFIC SPAWN KILLING RULES

• Spawnkilling is NOT allowed during warmup.
• If you have an objective, you can SK if you have to, just to get to the place you have to take it.
• If the spawn can be destroyed with satchel or dynamite, it is not SK.
• If the spawn point is a flag, it is not SK.
• No player shall shoot at an enemy from within there spawn who has not threatened them in any way.
                  Examples:
                  ACCEPTABLE: An axis  player enters allied spawn where the particular spawn is considered SK,  the allied player(s) may shoot the axis player in the spawn and warn  them on No Spawnkilling.
                  NOT ACCEPTABLE: An axis  player is half way across the map and not doing anything except  defending an objective then an allied player spawns and shoots that axis  player from half way across the map.
• If any enemy is attacking from the spawn, you may return fire only to that particular enemy.
              (The enemy shooting from their spawn is already breaking a rule.)
  • If a person is shooting from the spawn and you are on  the same team as that person you will be able to see their name so you  must warn them to leave there spawn before shooting.
  • If a person is shooting from their spawn and they are an  enemy you are ALLOWED to kill that person and ONLY that person to find  out who they are in order to warn them to leave their spawn before  shooting.
• When an enemy is holding objective and hiding in their own  spawn, you are allowed to go in there and retrieve the objective, but  afterwards, get out!
• Anyone who is caught purposely standing around the enemy's  spawn waiting to get shot at first just so they can return fire will be  banned.
              *Smartasses are not tolerated.*
• Enemies can sit in flag spawn area and just kill without  capturing the flag. Freshly spawned players are strongly encouraged to  kill these enemies while still protected by thier spawn shield.
• If you dont understand the exact rules and just want to stay safe, don't ever go anywhere near the enemy's spawn.

Where can you find that rule you quoted, if its not in the rules on our homepage?

I don't think entering in the spawn is Spawnkilling. Killing someone or attempting to kill someone in their spawn is Spawnkilling.
If people spawn while you're trying to pass through, then you're sh!t out of luck, and will die.
As long as the person going through the spawn doe not shoot the people who have just spawned, it shouldn't be against the rules.

Telling people they can't go through the spawn is like saying:
If a person enters a bank, they are automatically breaking the law, because they must obviously be entering it, just to rob it.
That's just stupid.

What about it maps like Gold rush?
The allied truck is close to getting to the end,
are you saying axis are not allowed to go through the other way around, because allies players may still be choosing to spawn at the 1st spawn?
So now all axis have to be cornered going up only one way? This just making a ridiculous disadvantage for the other team.

And you can't just say; "well this is for only maps like Venice"
You have to make the rules apply to all maps, in all cases. Not just stupid half here, have over there at the next map.
It will be impossible for players to keep track of it all.
And when they think they're not breaking a rule, a member will warn them not to, and then those players will leave pissed off. Is that what we want?

[wagua]

KombAt, on August 17, 2011 - 11:14 AM, said:

And you can't just say; "well this is for only maps like Venice"
You have to make the rules apply to all maps, in all cases. Not just stupid half here, have over there at the next map.
It will be impossible for players to keep track of it all.
And when they think they're not breaking a rule, a member will warn them not to, and then those players will leave pissed off. Is that what we want?

Please don't hijack this thread, it is specifically about Venice.  On Venice, it is SK to enter the building, this is not new and I did not create this rule.  It is not complicated, and this thread is not to debate weather or not SK regulations should apply the same for all maps; that is a new thread that you can start or let's discuss it at the clan meeting. I think you have some valuable insight here Kombat but please do so on a  different thread.  Until the SK regulations are changed for Venice then  we should all be clear on what the rules are.

I am offering this information as a friendly reminder, especially to the admins.  Just this week I saw  2 admins POW'ed for this exact reason on this exact map.  I have seen pub's get banned for this on countless occasions.  

So, to answer your questions, YES this is about Venice and only Venice.  And NO, I don't want anyone to leave upset, that is the whole reason that I started this thread was to hopefully help clarify the rules so less admins get the POW and so less pubs get banned.  

OK?  

Please see the link  for current SK regulations on Venice

I'm not trying to start drama here, I'm trying to clarify what what the current law is.  I think you have some great points, Kombat, but I just want to warn everyone ahead of time before they get banned/POW'ed without knowing why.

[KombAt]

So just to make it clear to everyone else,
as far as maps go, everyone else is allowed to go through every other spawn, as long as its not spawns in the Venice map and as long as they don't kill while passing through?

[wagua]

KombAt, on August 18, 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

So just to make it clear to everyone else,
as far as maps go, everyone else is allowed to go through every other spawn, as long as its not spawns in the Venice map and as long as they don't kill while passing through?

On the Venice map; an enemy can shoot into that main building but not enter, for any reason.  I cannot speak to the nuances of the other maps' SK Regulations, this thread is specifically about Venice.  These are the official rules for this map and I witnessed these rules being enforced last week with impunity; including the POW placement of 2 newer admins.

I am not trying to find a reason to bust people.  This thread is meant to warn everyone so we can all play together with the same expectations.  I hope this helps as this was all meant with good intentions

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